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 Subject :wondering if jbs is the wrong place for me.. 2009-08-26 13:47:30 
mgginva
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I notice disturbingly that I seem to be alone on this site. I have a degree in biology and have followed global warming very carefully for years. That there is a substantial debate that mankind is causing it and it's not real just isn't true. I get bombarded by DVD's done by hacks and liars mostly spawned by the evil Bush admin,. or oil and coal. These DVD's are so transparent and dishonest I have a hard time understanding the mentality of those that believe them. I am a constitutionalist and follower of Ron and Rand Paul (on most issues). I am committed to and believe we can not survive without dumping the fed. Hard and fast! I can not believe there are people on this site that still believe in the established republican party. They destroyed this country and forced me to vote for Obama. Who I still believe was the lessor of two evils. M&P running this country would have been a nightmare. P is an idiot!!!1 Sorry but she is the worst kind of ignorant fear-mongering fact-distorting person that was in the race. I came to this site after watching a DVD done by the JBS (an excellent DVD, I might add), I was hoping to find intelligent constitutionalists that truly wanted change. The neo-cons do not stand for change. We need the Pauls and their buddies. Romney, et al are not going to help us. Why are there so many conservatives that follow this terrible narrow line? I wonder if there are others like me here? I support the constitution, but we are in a serious fix economically and our world IS in terrible danger due to pollution, habitat destruction and global warming and anyone that tells you differently is either a liar, a con artist or just ignorant of the facts. Yes we can accuse Gore of some slanted facts, but overall he is not wrong. We need to address the fact that we have been peeing in our own well far too long. I can agree to disagree with other issues, but this stands above all other issues. That being said, I'd love to hear if I have like-minded friends on this site. I found reading most of the forum scary. Thanks for listening, mgginva Vote for the Pauls and the people they endorse. End the fed's tight grip on our throats, and lets transition back to the values (read constitution) that made us the envy of the world. Blame the republicans first as they were in power, protect us from the dem.'s but be honest enough to allow them some credit. After all the dem.'s and neo-cons are both in need of replacement. No entangling alliances. No "wars". No empire. No new world order. dump NATO. Protect and service this country and its citizens first! Elect men who know how to honor the oath they all take and ignore - the constitution is what made us great.
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 Subject :Re:wondering if jbs is the wrong place for me.. 2009-08-26 14:57:40 
FrankRep
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Experienced JBS members know the left / right paradigm is just a game of control played by the insiders.

A book written by John McManus called, "The Insiders" shows Democrat and Republican players responsible for the destruction of America. 
http://www.amazon.com/Insiders-John-F-McManus/dp/1881919099/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251333102&sr=1-5


The John Birch Society doesn't endorse candidates as an organization, but individually Ron Paul is ranked the best candidate for presidency and for Congress. Ron Paul is called the "Gold Standard" of Constitutonal voting. In fact, Ron Paul endorses the John Birch Society and even spoke at the JBS 50th Anniversary.

Ron Paul Keynote Address at JBS 50th Anniversary
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/3376


On NeoConservatives

Several articles have been written in the JBS and The New American publication exposing the NeoConservative agenda.

For Example:

John Birch Society:

Neocon Propagandists Are Stepping Up the "Bomb Iran" War Drum Frenzy
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/1213-neocon-propagandists-are-stepping-up-the-qbomb-iranq-war-drum-frenzy

Leading Neoconservative Praises Bush Presidency
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/1535-leading-neoconservative-praises-bush-presidency

William F. Buckley Jr.: the Establishment’s “House Conservative”
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/457-william-f-buckley-jr-the-establishments-house-conservative

Pragmatists? Neoconservatives? What’s the Difference?
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/744-pragmatists-neoconservatives-whats-the-difference


The New American:

The Pro-War, Pro-Torture "Conservatives" 
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/1044

Neoconservatism in the Obama Age 
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/646

Is Conservatism Dead?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/644

Palin Popular in "Last Frontier" & Beyond
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/568

McCain: Maverick? 
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/434

Like Barack Obama, John McCain Is a Socialist
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/417

“Funding Father of the Right” Backs Hillary for President 
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/295-funding-father-of-the-right-backs-hillary-for-president

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 Subject :Re:wondering if jbs is the wrong place for me.. 2009-08-26 15:04:56 
FrankRep
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On Sarah Palin:


Palin is known for vaguely conservative positions on social issues, and even defended Prejean. Palin says she's unequivocally pro-life, and that she stands for what used to be called chastity before marriage. Such positions are an outrage to the left, and draw the heaviest criticism when they are somewhat vaguely expressed. Eloquent spokesmen are generally ignored because social liberals don’t want to give voice to a thoughtful supporter of traditional morality.
...

Palin may be a social conservative, but she did not govern as a fiscal conservative, and for that reason alone it’s probably not a bad thing for her to leave the national political scene.


SOURCE:
Sarah Palin's Swan Song?  
Tuesday, 07 July 2009
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/1363

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 Subject :Re:wondering if jbs is the wrong place for me.. 2009-08-29 07:51:15 
Lynette
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mgginva,
Regardless of personal positions on the environment and global warming, the Constitution and agreeing on most things is what's important.  However, I hope you will read information from the JBS staff and The New American.  There was another article posted on the issue just the other day, Global Warming, Population Cause Environmental Extremists to Worry.
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 Subject :Re:wondering if jbs is the wrong place for me.. 2009-08-31 10:58:54 
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For a fresh perspective friend regarding global warming, consider the following:

Global Warming

Global Warming Staves Off an Ice Age

Renowned astronomer and physicist Dr. Hugh Ross and astronomer Dr. Jeff Zweerink are available for comment about the science behind global warming.

To: National Desk

Contact: Reasons To Believe, 731 East Arrow Highway, Glendora, CA. 91740 (626) 335-1480

NEWS ADVISORY, December 18, 2006, Standard Newswire Service -- Global warming is real. But its causes -- and therefore its solutions -- are more complex than most people seem to realize.

So says astronomer Hugh Ross, founder and president of the premiere science-faith think tank Reasons To Believe (www.reasons.org). "We tend to think Earth's climate will always be optimal for human civilization if we just take better care of it. But nothing could be further from the truth," states Ross. "When we put emotion and politics aside and take a rational look at our planet's history, we actually see something quite different."

Ross explains, "Ice and sediment cores show that over the past four million years, the global climate has oscillated many times. The changes are caused by variations in Earth's orbit. Each cycle lasts about 100,000 years with an ice age typically taking up 90,000 of those years, and a global warming effect, the other 10,000 years."

"Many natural phenomena significantly affect the global climate. Atmospheric conditions are impacted by tectonic activity, erosion, and changes in Earth's biomass, for example," adds UCLA astronomer Jeff Zweerink, Ph.D.

"While politicians and activists focus on the effects of fossil fuel burning," says Dr. Zweerink, "the breeding and domestication of cows and cultivation of rice, for example, actually does more harm than driving too many SUV's." Zweerink is a new addition to the team of scientists at Reasons To Believe.

According to the Journal of Quaternary Science, over the last 8,000 years cattle farming and rice crop cultivation alone have nearly doubled the quantity of methane in the atmosphere. At the same time, deforestation has increased the atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide. Both methane and carbon dioxide are greenhouse gases that trap the sun's heat.

"Contrary to the claims of a few high profile politicians, celebrities, and environmentalists, some of our human activities in fact create a cooling effect," continues Ross.

"The release of aerosols and particulates actually blocks out sunlight and generates light-reflecting cloud layers, especially over densely populated and highly industrialized regions where pollution is loosely, if at all regulated.

"The bottom line here is that there are dozens of physical, chemical, and biological processes that contribute to both heating and cooling the planet," states Ross. "When any one of these factors gets out of balance with the others, Earth is at risk of losing its optimal climate for human civilization.

"This delicate balancing act of multiple and diverse natural processes and human activities gives us reason to be cautious," continues Ross. "But to suggest that we can stop global warming by simply cutting back on fossil fuel combustion and altering our industrial processes is naïve at best. If we ignore one or more of certain mechanisms that contribute to either global warming or cooling, our attempted solutions could actually make matters worse," Ross notes.

"Scientifically speaking this intricate balance, designed specifically for humanity's benefit, is no accident. The amazing fine tuning observed in all these complex processes gives us a clear picture of a Creator who exquisitely prepared a place for humans to live in and to launch -- at least for awhile -- a global high-tech civilization."

Hugh Ross, Ph.D. After studying physics at the University of British Columbia and astronomy at the University of Toronto, Hugh Ross continued his research on quasars and galaxies as a postdoctoral fellow at the California Institute of Technology. While at Caltech he began serving as minister of evangelism for Sierra Madre Congregational Church.

Since 1986 he has led Reasons To Believe, an institute founded to research and proclaim new reasons -- from the frontiers of science -- for trust in God's Word and faith in Jesus Christ. Over the years Dr. Ross has given hundreds of apologetics lectures, seminars, and courses in universities, churches, business firms and other venues across the U.S. and around the world. He is a popular interview guest on a wide variety of nationally/internationally syndicated radio and television programs.

His books include The Fingerprint of God, The Creator and the Cosmos, Beyond the Cosmos, The Genesis Question, A Matter of Days, and as co-author, Origins of Life, Who Was Adam, The Genesis Debate, Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men. His latest book Creation As Science: A Testable Model Approach to End the Creation/Evolution Wars was released in September.

Jeff Zweerink, Ph.D. The latest addition to the Reasons To Believe scholar team Zweerink still works part-time on the physics and astronomy research faculty at the University of California at Los Angeles where he studies gamma rays, black holes, and neutron stars. At Reasons To Believe Zweerink appears frequently on the weekly Web cast Creation Update and writes many of the Today's New Reasons to Believe that are posted daily at www.reasons.org. He is presently writing a book with Ross on the anthropic principle.

Reasons To Believe (www.reasons.org) is currently celebrating its 20th Anniversary. Founded in 1986 by renowned astrophysicist Hugh Ross, Ph.D. Reasons To Believe is unique in its position of demonstrating that science and the Bible complement one another. The mission of Reasons To Believe is to remove the doubts of skeptics, strengthen the faith of believers, and offer solid answers to questions about God and science.

Reasons To Believe provides resources that will keep you informed about up-to-the minute discoveries in the sciences and how they harmonize with God's revelation in the words of the Bible. It is our conviction that since the same God who 'authored' the universe also inspired the writings of Scripture, a consistent message will come from both revelations. In other words, the facts of nature will agree with, not contradict, the Bible. Recent scientific discoveries support this now more than at any other time in history.

 

 

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 Subject :Re:wondering if The JBS is the wrong place for me.. 2009-08-30 10:25:07 
Lee Gonzales
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Well, sir, I don't know if that is really the case.
No one is asked to support any project that they do not agree with at this organization.  It's up to you whether you think that the articles in The New American and in these posts by members or the DVD's that JBS recommends on the topic of global warming are fact sufficient to persuade anyone that perhaps the "debate isn't over?"

1. http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/868-2008-climate-debate
2. http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/1404
3. http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/energy/197-a-tale-of-two-reactors
4. http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/759

I could point to books written by establishment people who tell us that the establishment was going to "invent" such things as 'global warming" and the destruction of the planet by pollution, but you would have to take the time to look at the book.

The many scenarios that the government think tank came up with was how best to offer global government to the American people and to the world at large, once the cold war was over? They looked at diseases, natural catastrophes, "the pollution model" and decided that war was the best way to make a transition to world government. 

Whether or not you disagree with the theories of the global warming protaganists or the counter arguments of men like Ed Hiserodt and William F. Jasper and others is one thing. You have to consider that what you told us in your initial post that the government is less than being open with us and that certain politicians lie. Also that certain politicians and foundation think tanks put together plans to use such things as global warming and use those "studies"  to move the nation toward total global government.

I could on with this issue but here are the principals of The John Birch Society laid out in the open:http://jbs.org/core-principles
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 Subject :Re:wondering if jbs is the wrong place for me.. 2009-09-04 07:27:46 
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I am new to this site also, joined today on recommendation of long time friend with who I share many beliefs.  I saw your post and am compelled to reply. I too have a bio degree, and although initially mildly supportive of the man made global warming theory through substantial amount of reading have come to believe otherwise.  what tipped my balance was this article by ron paul:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul537.html.k

i followed the link to the website he includes in the article, where a substantial number of scientists have a different point of view.  the degree of certainty with which the GW activists show makes it sound as though their theory (and it is just that - a "theory") is irrefutable, an absolute certainty.  Like the earth is round, gravity exists, etc.  Having now researched both sides to a substantial degree my opinion is that there is more substantive, updated and accurate information that calls into question the arguements of the GWTs.  Do i believe we must continue to work to improve our environment. Absolutely.  But as a trained scientist I must be driven by the research.  drmike
P.S. -as Ron Paul says, the only thing we must all agree on is freedom.  i would hope that you opinion on global warming does not prevent you in the pursuit of the restoration of our country to it's foundations.  i think the JBS is a good fit for you.
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I feel it is always wise to be skeptical.... unless faced with a choice.  
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 Subject :Re:wondering if jbs is the wrong place for me.. 2009-09-07 02:47:30 
jamesbridge
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Hey!

Sorry you feel alone, or lonely.

This organization is about defending our Constitution and our Constitutional liberties.

LIBERTY.

FEDERALISM.

LIMITED GOVERNMENT.

Things like that.  We have the best protections of liberty and private property on earth, and I, for one, will fight hard to protect them.

If you think that voting for a "one-worlder" big government, diversity-enforcer, person like Obama, who is on the record of saying that our Constitution is out-moded, then you don't understand JBS at all.

The Constitution is what protects us all from tyranny and theft of private property. 

Later!
Jim
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 Subject :Re:wondering if jbs is the wrong place for me.. 2009-11-13 04:59:43 
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I have to agree with JBS on this issue. There's no scientific evidence global warming is real, and even if it is real which is doubtful it is impossible for humans to cause it. These ridiculous regulations wackos like Gore are proposing are not going to help because humans are not the primary cause of climate change. They will only destroy our economy.




[mgginva 2009-08-26 13:47:30]:

I notice disturbingly that I seem to be alone on this site. I have a degree in biology and have followed global warming very carefully for years. That there is a substantial debate that mankind is causing it and it's not real just isn't true. I get bombarded by DVD's done by hacks and liars mostly spawned by the evil Bush admin,. or oil and coal. These DVD's are so transparent and dishonest I have a hard time understanding the mentality of those that believe them. I am a constitutionalist and follower of Ron and Rand Paul (on most issues). I am committed to and believe we can not survive without dumping the fed. Hard and fast! I can not believe there are people on this site that still believe in the established republican party. They destroyed this country and forced me to vote for Obama. Who I still believe was the lessor of two evils. M&P running this country would have been a nightmare. P is an idiot!!!1 Sorry but she is the worst kind of ignorant fear-mongering fact-distorting person that was in the race. I came to this site after watching a DVD done by the JBS (an excellent DVD, I might add), I was hoping to find intelligent constitutionalists that truly wanted change. The neo-cons do not stand for change. We need the Pauls and their buddies. Romney, et al are not going to help us. Why are there so many conservatives that follow this terrible narrow line? I wonder if there are others like me here? I support the constitution, but we are in a serious fix economically and our world IS in terrible danger due to pollution, habitat destruction and global warming and anyone that tells you differently is either a liar, a con artist or just ignorant of the facts. Yes we can accuse Gore of some slanted facts, but overall he is not wrong. We need to address the fact that we have been peeing in our own well far too long. I can agree to disagree with other issues, but this stands above all other issues. That being said, I'd love to hear if I have like-minded friends on this site. I found reading most of the forum scary. Thanks for listening, mgginva Vote for the Pauls and the people they endorse. End the fed's tight grip on our throats, and lets transition back to the values (read constitution) that made us the envy of the world. Blame the republicans first as they were in power, protect us from the dem.'s but be honest enough to allow them some credit. After all the dem.'s and neo-cons are both in need of replacement. No entangling alliances. No "wars". No empire. No new world order. dump NATO. Protect and service this country and its citizens first! Elect men who know how to honor the oath they all take and ignore - the constitution is what made us great.
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Very interesting article, thank you for posting it. It certainly adds other intellectual points and perspective, beyond the usual one side or the other.

~Will





[ageofknowledge 2009-08-31 10:58:54]:

For a fresh perspective friend regarding global warming, consider the following:

Global Warming

Global Warming Staves Off an Ice Age

Renowned astronomer and physicist Dr. Hugh Ross and astronomer Dr. Jeff Zweerink are available for comment about the science behind global warming.

To: National Desk

Contact: Reasons To Believe, 731 East Arrow Highway, Glendora, CA. 91740 (626) 335-1480

NEWS ADVISORY, December 18, 2006, Standard Newswire Service -- Global warming is real. But its causes -- and therefore its solutions -- are more complex than most people seem to realize.

So says astronomer Hugh Ross, founder and president of the premiere science-faith think tank Reasons To Believe (www.reasons.org). "We tend to think Earth's climate will always be optimal for human civilization if we just take better care of it. But nothing could be further from the truth," states Ross. "When we put emotion and politics aside and take a rational look at our planet's history, we actually see something quite different."

Ross explains, "Ice and sediment cores show that over the past four million years, the global climate has oscillated many times. The changes are caused by variations in Earth's orbit. Each cycle lasts about 100,000 years with an ice age typically taking up 90,000 of those years, and a global warming effect, the other 10,000 years."

"Many natural phenomena significantly affect the global climate. Atmospheric conditions are impacted by tectonic activity, erosion, and changes in Earth's biomass, for example," adds UCLA astronomer Jeff Zweerink, Ph.D.

"While politicians and activists focus on the effects of fossil fuel burning," says Dr. Zweerink, "the breeding and domestication of cows and cultivation of rice, for example, actually does more harm than driving too many SUV's." Zweerink is a new addition to the team of scientists at Reasons To Believe.

According to the Journal of Quaternary Science, over the last 8,000 years cattle farming and rice crop cultivation alone have nearly doubled the quantity of methane in the atmosphere. At the same time, deforestation has increased the atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide. Both methane and carbon dioxide are greenhouse gases that trap the sun's heat.

"Contrary to the claims of a few high profile politicians, celebrities, and environmentalists, some of our human activities in fact create a cooling effect," continues Ross.

"The release of aerosols and particulates actually blocks out sunlight and generates light-reflecting cloud layers, especially over densely populated and highly industrialized regions where pollution is loosely, if at all regulated.

"The bottom line here is that there are dozens of physical, chemical, and biological processes that contribute to both heating and cooling the planet," states Ross. "When any one of these factors gets out of balance with the others, Earth is at risk of losing its optimal climate for human civilization.

"This delicate balancing act of multiple and diverse natural processes and human activities gives us reason to be cautious," continues Ross. "But to suggest that we can stop global warming by simply cutting back on fossil fuel combustion and altering our industrial processes is naïve at best. If we ignore one or more of certain mechanisms that contribute to either global warming or cooling, our attempted solutions could actually make matters worse," Ross notes.

"Scientifically speaking this intricate balance, designed specifically for humanity's benefit, is no accident. The amazing fine tuning observed in all these complex processes gives us a clear picture of a Creator who exquisitely prepared a place for humans to live in and to launch -- at least for awhile -- a global high-tech civilization."

Hugh Ross, Ph.D. After studying physics at the University of British Columbia and astronomy at the University of Toronto, Hugh Ross continued his research on quasars and galaxies as a postdoctoral fellow at the California Institute of Technology. While at Caltech he began serving as minister of evangelism for Sierra Madre Congregational Church.

Since 1986 he has led Reasons To Believe, an institute founded to research and proclaim new reasons -- from the frontiers of science -- for trust in God's Word and faith in Jesus Christ. Over the years Dr. Ross has given hundreds of apologetics lectures, seminars, and courses in universities, churches, business firms and other venues across the U.S. and around the world. He is a popular interview guest on a wide variety of nationally/internationally syndicated radio and television programs.

His books include The Fingerprint of God, The Creator and the Cosmos, Beyond the Cosmos, The Genesis Question, A Matter of Days, and as co-author, Origins of Life, Who Was Adam, The Genesis Debate, Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men. His latest book Creation As Science: A Testable Model Approach to End the Creation/Evolution Wars was released in September.

Jeff Zweerink, Ph.D. The latest addition to the Reasons To Believe scholar team Zweerink still works part-time on the physics and astronomy research faculty at the University of California at Los Angeles where he studies gamma rays, black holes, and neutron stars. At Reasons To Believe Zweerink appears frequently on the weekly Web cast Creation Update and writes many of the Today's New Reasons to Believe that are posted daily at www.reasons.org. He is presently writing a book with Ross on the anthropic principle.

Reasons To Believe (www.reasons.org) is currently celebrating its 20th Anniversary. Founded in 1986 by renowned astrophysicist Hugh Ross, Ph.D. Reasons To Believe is unique in its position of demonstrating that science and the Bible complement one another. The mission of Reasons To Believe is to remove the doubts of skeptics, strengthen the faith of believers, and offer solid answers to questions about God and science.

Reasons To Believe provides resources that will keep you informed about up-to-the minute discoveries in the sciences and how they harmonize with God's revelation in the words of the Bible. It is our conviction that since the same God who 'authored' the universe also inspired the writings of Scripture, a consistent message will come from both revelations. In other words, the facts of nature will agree with, not contradict, the Bible. Recent scientific discoveries support this now more than at any other time in history.

 

 

 

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I too studied bio (member, TriBeta), and do not agree with the AGW approach. We may disagree on some issues, but the general consensus is as others have said, that we need less government and more freedom. If you can help with that, welcome aboard!

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