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Subject :Continental Congress 2009..
2009-10-26 19:48:38
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CC2009 Operating Budget Revised to $650K
Dates & National Ad Budget Reduced
Includes $250,000 already expended
Includes $155,000 for Bare Bones Event
Another $245,000 Ensures First-Class, Live Webcast, Newsroom and Targeted Marketing
Americans who love their country and who have been aware of the grassroots call for a Continental Congress have elected Delegates to Continental Congress from nearly every State in the Union. Robust debate and inspiring advice has ensued at a frenzied pace amidst the Delegates. The Vision for CC2009 is being shaped by passionate patriots from Maine to Hawaii.
Budgeting, financing and contractual matters are now pre-occupying the management staff. Wealthy and not-so-wealthy are coming forward but we remain well short of initial fundraising objectives. Adjustments are underway. The over-all revised maximum budget for CC 2009 has been lowered from $2M to $650,000, which includes approximately $250,000 already expended.
The new $650,000 budget assumes both cost cutting and additional fund raising in the amount of $400,000. The $400,000 includes $155,000 for a “bare bones” program.
Cost Cutting
Thanks to the overwhelming support and flexibility of the Pheasant Run staff and ownership, Continental Congress can convene November 11 through November 22, a reduction of three days and associated expenses, but without a “reduction fee.” Our contract with Pheasant Run, to lodge and feed at least 150 individuals for twelve days and eleven nights, amounts to $221,805. We have made down payments totaling $98,400. With what we have in the bank (including a single $56,400 contribution received last week) and steps being taken for single/double/ triple occupancy reservations by delegates and non-delegates, we expect to meet CC2009's minimal contractual requirements.
to continue reading this article, please visit
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Subject :Re:Continental Congress 2009..
2009-10-27 04:10:41
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I would not trust these guys. Beware, they say they are not for a Con-Con, but ????
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Subject :Re:Continental Congress 2009, a con-con?..
2009-11-03 06:08:29
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This is not a con-con, visit www.cc2009.us and check out all the information. Simply put, we tried as much as possible to get the word out there about the elections but it was an uphill battle and we recived very little coverage, the elected delegates represent the people who voted for them and anyone else who believes in the 09' Congress.
The fact of the matter is that there is a lot of disinformation and confusion out there, which is by design. The people who want to destroy this country know it’ll be easier to accomplish their goal with an uninformed public rather than against a very well educated citizenry. This stresses the extreme importance of individual self-education, and plenty of it!
I’ve posted various blogs on the 2009 Continental Congress and to reiterate the point, this is not a con-con; the purpose of the Continental Congress is to defend, NOT AMEND, the Constitution and reestablish Constitutional governance as it was ORIGINALLY intended!! |
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Subject :Re:Continental Congress 2009..
2009-11-03 12:36:30
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From the cc2009 website:
"The purpose of Continental Congress 2009 is to determine a legal and peaceful means to stop the violations of The Constitution of The United States of America and to restore Constitutional governance."
What means? Education? - already doing that. Write/phone/email Congress? - already doing that. Voting? - already doing that. Exercising our rights to assemble? - already doing that (Tea Parties, for example). Exercising our right to bear arms? - already doing that. Running candidates (honestly) who stand for God, Country, and the United States Constitution? - already doing that, although we do need more people to run.
Also from the website:
"Specifically, the delegates will consider:
- The framework, content and meaning of the Constitution as originally intended;
- The provisions provided for The People to hold the government accountable to the Constitution;
- Violations to the Constitution and their devastating impacts on America and her people and resources;
- The Record of Petitions for Redress, (over fourteen years), directed to federal and state government for violations to the Constitution and government’s response;
- The Vision for America if we followed it – what would our Nation/life be like if we were wholly obedient to the Guarantees of the Constitution rather than the whims and assurances of elected officials;
- A template for transition to Constitutional governance in America;
- Peaceful and legal means through which a critical mass of The People can
- push back and stop the violations and restore Constitutional obedience in America.
- The upcoming Continental Congress is being called by The People, not to amend our Constitution, but to defend the one we now have. This is not a Constitutional Convention."
There is NOTHING new here. There is nothing that you couldn't get from attending a speech by John F. McManus.
I have nothing AGAINST cc2009, I just think effort would be better spent growing what we already have and not diluting our efforts.
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Subject :Re:Continental Congress 2009..
2009-11-03 13:16:50
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Rprew, I agree. (i wish that I could see the post I am responding to so that I know I am spelling their name correctly...hint web guys)
I didn't elect anyone to represent me for this project... I think this project is just sucking up time/people/money from real actions. We need to elect people that will obey the constitution, we don't need another organization to tell us that. |
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Subject :Re:Continental Congress 2009..
2009-11-03 19:43:18
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G., thank you for your response.
Bob previously received communication on this and has been well aware of legitimate concerns. There was no reason to send him this again, that which he previously refused to respond to. The reason for the post is truth and enlightenment.
In fact, in early 2009, after doing research at the Mass. State House, and specifically on 1760's-17770's, and contrasting and comparing with Mr. Schulz's proposal, I resigned as Mass. Coordinator for Mr. Schulz's We the People organization, expressing my several concerns very similar to the below post regarding process and authority, also including requests that he support the several state movements. I sent my communication to him and the other 49 state coordinators of his We the People organization. I never received a direct response from him to my concerns. His refusal to support legitimate state movements such as those grown from the writings of Dr. Vieira also speaks for itself.
This is strictly subject matter. I respect Mr. Schulz, but he is off-point.
D. M.
Boston
Why don't you send this to Bob?
-G.
DannyMac
There are several things wrong with Mr. Schulz and his private Continental Congress proposal that he is pushing forward:
1. His CC2009 proposal has no public election of delegates at public meetings that were pre-posted publicly, from the ground local level to state delegate elections up to national congress delegate elections. The founders in 1774 did all elections of delegates first from the ground up at local level pre-announced public meetings, then the same local committees elected state delegates at pre-announced public meetings, then the authorized state delegates elected delegates to Continental Congress. Mr. Schulz selection of delegates is basically through his private website. No pre-announced authorized elections at public meetings ever occurred. Therefore, CC2009 has no authorization, and therefore should not be called a Continental Congress, because it is not one.
2. Mr. Schulz proposes spending several weeks costing several thousands of dollars per participant. This takes away valuable time and money, both of which are in short supply, draining valuable resources fro-m other activities that are authorized and could make a difference.
3. After the several weeks meetings, the outcome will have no authority to change anything. It would merely be a weeks long forum.
4. Mr. Schulz uses the reasoning for CC2009 being that his past private petitioning for redress exhausted all remedies, and therefore the only thing left to do is hold an alleged Continental Congress. Wrong. All remedies are far fro-m exhausted. Much can be done through the state legislatures which has not yet been done. For example, restoring sound money, revitalizing state militias, and enforcing state sovereignty, all of which are constitutional remedies, and which are being organized. Unfortunately, Mr. Schulz refuses to join these state movements, or assist them financially, which Mr. Schulz is very capable of doing if he so chose.
5. When the 13 states in 1774 called for a Continental Congress to decide on action to take, Boston harbor was already blockaded by the English navy, shutting down the Atlantic trade route, Boston was under martial law, and firearms had been confiscated. Political and economic remedies were exhausted, leaving the 1st Continental Congress only to the remedy of common defense.
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2009-11-05 07:56:58
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Subject :Re:x..
2009-11-05 08:23:16
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[jbsvcl 2009-11-03 19:47:39]:
How do I delete this post?
I don't know how to delete ones post but you could "edit" it. Cut out the text leaving it blank and resubmit. You might have to leave something in the box for it to except. The word "deleted" seems appropriate.
jbsvcl, there is a place for feedback and site suggestions. It would be great if you posted your question there. If one can't delete their post, it would be good if IT could change that in their next patch. |
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Subject :Re:Continental Congress 2009..
2009-11-08 12:30:02
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GaryRLewis, perhaps the reason "we recived very little coverage" is because the public "recived" it with a shudder. There is absolutely NO reason to be playing with matches here. Nothing good can come from a continental congress, which is radically close to a con-con, and I, personlly, hope the idea flops. If it isn't on the JBS agenda, don't waste your time, fella.
Meanwhile, let's Get Out of the UN!!
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Subject :Re:Continental Congress 2009..
2009-11-24 09:40:44
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I must admit, initially, I was drawn into this movement. However, after having become actively involved and then researching more about the people organizing the group; after having witnessed many disturbing and concerning comments made by the organization's administration and many of its "delegates"; after witnessing several indescrepencies and inconsistencies; I sought the opinions of several key JBS members about the "We the People" and "Continental Congress 2009" organization. I was told to be very cautious and asked that I cease and desist further participation with the "CC 2009" group. I heeded that warning, finding the men who gave the advice to be very wise and alert of current grassroots activist groups. I am glad I did follow the advice, having learned much about the man who has put the "We the People/CC 2009" organization together. I STRONGLY suggest ANY John Birch members who are in support of the "CC2009" to begin SERIOUSLY doing some research of the group and its founder "Bob Schultz" aka "Bob Shulz", and the group's key administrators.
If you have given ANY financial contributions to this "non-profit" organization, I STRONGLY recommend that you request a FULLY DOCUMENTED financial disclosure of how the contributions were accounted for and spent. Also, request a copy of the organization's registered tax status. Thus far, there appears to be a great deal of fraud taking place and many of that organization's members are completely unaware of it. Fortunately, I did my research before contributing any money and therefore only wasted my time getting involved. I recommend all others do their own background research and follow-up with the U.S. Department of Justice.
Whilst you are at it, look into Mr. Shultz's history with the Village of Hinsdale, Illinois (near to Naperville, where I own one of my homes). You will find a large number of residents who felt betrayed and defrauded by Mr. Schultz. It is also interesting that Mr. Schultz claims to be living in New York whilst simultaneously claiming a primary residence in Hinsdale, Illinois (he has never claimed having multiple residences). Also, research Mr. Schultz's history involving law enforcement and judicial system, specifically in regard to fraud and tax evasion.
Whilst many of the CC 2009 "Delegates" are filled with the enthusiasm of good intentions, it is in their best interest to find out who it is they have aligned themselves with. They should not take my word on this subject but they should DEFINITELY look into this themselves so any and all doubt will be removed as to what I have shared.
[JinOhio 2009-10-26 19:48:38]:
CC2009 Operating Budget Revised to $650K
Dates & National Ad Budget Reduced
Includes $250,000 already expended
Includes $155,000 for Bare Bones Event
Another $245,000 Ensures First-Class, Live Webcast, Newsroom and Targeted Marketing
Americans who love their country and who have been aware of the grassroots call for a Continental Congress have elected Delegates to Continental Congress from nearly every State in the Union. Robust debate and inspiring advice has ensued at a frenzied pace amidst the Delegates. The Vision for CC2009 is being shaped by passionate patriots from Maine to Hawaii.
Budgeting, financing and contractual matters are now pre-occupying the management staff. Wealthy and not-so-wealthy are coming forward but we remain well short of initial fundraising objectives. Adjustments are underway. The over-all revised maximum budget for CC 2009 has been lowered from $2M to $650,000, which includes approximately $250,000 already expended.
The new $650,000 budget assumes both cost cutting and additional fund raising in the amount of $400,000. The $400,000 includes $155,000 for a “bare bones” program.
Cost Cutting
Thanks to the overwhelming support and flexibility of the Pheasant Run staff and ownership, Continental Congress can convene November 11 through November 22, a reduction of three days and associated expenses, but without a “reduction fee.” Our contract with Pheasant Run, to lodge and feed at least 150 individuals for twelve days and eleven nights, amounts to $221,805. We have made down payments totaling $98,400. With what we have in the bank (including a single $56,400 contribution received last week) and steps being taken for single/double/ triple occupancy reservations by delegates and non-delegates, we expect to meet CC2009's minimal contractual requirements.
to continue reading this article, please visit
http://www.cc2009.us/news/91-budget-revised-650k
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Subject :Re:Continental Congress 2009..
2009-11-24 09:41:44
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I must admit, initially, I was drawn into this movement. However, after having become actively involved and then researching more about the people organizing the group; after having witnessed many disturbing and concerning comments made by the organization's administration and many of its "delegates"; after witnessing several indescrepencies and inconsistencies; I sought the opinions of several key JBS members about the "We the People" and "Continental Congress 2009" organization. I was told to be very cautious and asked that I cease and desist further participation with the "CC 2009" group. I heeded that warning, finding the men who gave the advice to be very wise and alert of current grassroots activist groups. I am glad I did follow the advice, having learned much about the man who has put the "We the People/CC 2009" organization together. I STRONGLY suggest ANY John Birch members who are in support of the "CC2009" to begin SERIOUSLY doing some research of the group and its founder "Bob Schultz" aka "Bob Shulz", and the group's key administrators.
If you have given ANY financial contributions to this "non-profit" organization, I STRONGLY recommend that you request a FULLY DOCUMENTED financial disclosure of how the contributions were accounted for and spent. Also, request a copy of the organization's registered tax status. Thus far, there appears to be a great deal of fraud taking place and many of that organization's members are completely unaware of it. Fortunately, I did my research before contributing any money and therefore only wasted my time getting involved. I recommend all others do their own background research and follow-up with the U.S. Department of Justice.
Whilst you are at it, look into Mr. Shultz's history with the Village of Hinsdale, Illinois (near to Naperville, where I own one of my homes). You will find a large number of residents who felt betrayed and defrauded by Mr. Schultz. It is also interesting that Mr. Schultz claims to be living in New York whilst simultaneously claiming a primary residence in Hinsdale, Illinois (he has never claimed having multiple residences). Also, research Mr. Schultz's history involving law enforcement and judicial system, specifically in regard to fraud and tax evasion.
Whilst many of the CC 2009 "Delegates" are filled with the enthusiasm of good intentions, it is in their best interest to find out who it is they have aligned themselves with. They should not take my word on this subject but they should DEFINITELY look into this themselves so any and all doubt will be removed as to what I have shared.
[JinOhio 2009-10-26 19:48:38]:
CC2009 Operating Budget Revised to $650K
Dates & National Ad Budget Reduced
Includes $250,000 already expended
Includes $155,000 for Bare Bones Event
Another $245,000 Ensures First-Class, Live Webcast, Newsroom and Targeted Marketing
Americans who love their country and who have been aware of the grassroots call for a Continental Congress have elected Delegates to Continental Congress from nearly every State in the Union. Robust debate and inspiring advice has ensued at a frenzied pace amidst the Delegates. The Vision for CC2009 is being shaped by passionate patriots from Maine to Hawaii.
Budgeting, financing and contractual matters are now pre-occupying the management staff. Wealthy and not-so-wealthy are coming forward but we remain well short of initial fundraising objectives. Adjustments are underway. The over-all revised maximum budget for CC 2009 has been lowered from $2M to $650,000, which includes approximately $250,000 already expended.
The new $650,000 budget assumes both cost cutting and additional fund raising in the amount of $400,000. The $400,000 includes $155,000 for a “bare bones” program.
Cost Cutting
Thanks to the overwhelming support and flexibility of the Pheasant Run staff and ownership, Continental Congress can convene November 11 through November 22, a reduction of three days and associated expenses, but without a “reduction fee.” Our contract with Pheasant Run, to lodge and feed at least 150 individuals for twelve days and eleven nights, amounts to $221,805. We have made down payments totaling $98,400. With what we have in the bank (including a single $56,400 contribution received last week) and steps being taken for single/double/ triple occupancy reservations by delegates and non-delegates, we expect to meet CC2009's minimal contractual requirements.
to continue reading this article, please visit
http://www.cc2009.us/news/91-budget-revised-650k
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Subject :Re:Continental Congress 2009..
2009-11-28 04:50:03
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Do you ever notice that those who throw the most stones rarely provide their real name when alleging such criticism and unfounded attacks on others? I am a big fan of the JBS, have turned many people onto the outstanding Americanism film by John McManus and no doubt recognize the incredible contribution JBS and its members have made to keeping America from falling off the precipice into total fascism and statism.
But the myopic, non-collaborative approach of these so called patriots, who cast aspersions with specious information and innuendo, especially when they won't put their name to their own remarks, is saddening to watch.
To the anonymous person who continues to lump Bob Schulz in with Bob Schultz spelled with a T, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. Do your homework, please.
Bob Schulz, the chairman of the We The People Foundation and visionary behind the Continental Congress does not have a second residence in Hinsdale, IL. Bob Schultz, a citizen who spells his last name with a T may very well and there may very well be issues that associates of Mr. Schultz wth a T may need to concern themselves with in Hinsdale, IL... but these are not one in the same people. So how credible can any of your additional attacks be considered now?
While many are/have been skeptical of the Continental Congress 2009 project, I am guessing that it is fear of the unknown that drives such skepticism. Want to know about the We The People Foundation? Check out their bylaws and articles of incorporation here. Can you find such documents about any of the other patriot organizations on their websites? Can you?
I invite anyone interested in understanding the CC2009 project beyond anonymous ad hominem attacks on message boards to check out the following links:
www.CC2009.us/archives
www.ArticlesOfFreedom.us
http://www.cc2009.us/news/101-streaming-live
http://www.rcreader.com/commentary/the-line-in-the-sand-is-drawn/
In the default player at www.CC2009.us, there is a 50 minute interview with Michael Badnarik, who was elected as President of the CC2009, with Gary Franchi of Restore the Republic. It is an excellent primer on what was going down 4 days into the Congress and an excellent historical analysis of where we've come from and why we are here today.
Was it a perfect process? No, by no means.
But it was a thoughtful, measured and lawful process in that these people chose to peacefully assemble, of their own accord and with the support of thousands behind them pursue the next appropriate step for a free people. The sanction and authority the CC2009 has is the same sanction and authority EVERY AMERICAN has to take matters into to their own hands and exercise their civic DUTY to put government back in its cage where it belongs.
What is NEW about the strategy coming out of CC2009?
CC2009 is about PROCESS... it is the modern day Olive Branch Petition... it is the Line in the Sand... the Violations have been documented, testimony has been borne and witnessed and rather than continue to Petition or Complain about what is wrong, Citizens have, with great diligence and debate, provided Remedial Instructions for Congress and the States to fix what we Americans have allowed them to break by not regularly exercising our 1st Amendment Right to Redress.
In addition, this Line in the Sand, includes a Pledge to Civic Action that among other things, starves the beast by withdrawing our resources when a goodly number of millions of people also agree to do so. Strength in numbers, Solidarity... you need not charge the hill alone.
Unfortunately/Fortunately, one can boil down the entire grass roots, freedom, patriot, constitutional efforts to restore our republic down to one single act that is certain to stop the Leviathan in its tracks... cease funding it. It is the ultimate civic duty to hold the servant government accountable, and I ask you to consider seriously: What have the efforts to date from your own organization achieved on the national level? Has the spending curtailed? Have the wars ceased? Has the police state quit advancing? Do you think with the next election no matter who is elected, anything will actually change for the better?
I am not talking about locally, which we all know needs our vigilance as well... I am talking about the top down control of our lives the media and massive government have... what dent has your organization's efforts put into this beast?
Prudent and thoughtful analysis of the Continental Congress 2009 speaker presentations, delegate deliberations and emerging work product will show that the Remedial Instructions to Congress and the States along with the People's Civic Actions IS a strategy that mainstream Americans who know something is wrong but don't know where to turn, CAN sink their teeth into and do so in their own individual way, whether it be within a group like JBS or CFL or their local neighborhoods.
I daresay, ask yourself this question: If we got what we all claim we want tomorrow -- that is a Constitutional Republic is restored by the good deeds of and actions of our Government and Citizenry, what would you and your pet organization do with your free time? Do you have a life outside of this struggle? Are you prepared to get what you ask for? I propose that the very organizations and their supporters and leaders, that seek to discredit Solution Oriented efforts like the Continental Congress do so because they are more worried about their own rice bowls in their own silo of activity... planned obsolescence is more their strategy than successful collaborations and cross communications and leveraging to defeat the beast we have allowed to dominate our lives.
Before you castigate the efforts of CC2009, due a little investigating on your own and consider that we are all either going to hang together or we shall surely hang alone.
In Solidarity,
Todd McGreevy
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